Who are the leaders of the Christian peace movement? Why aren’t all moderate Christians loudly and publicly denouncing fundamentalist Christians and thoecratic extremists? Sure, there are a few exceptions, but the vast…
See also: a lot of the people loudly condemning this shit ARE Christian, but because moderate and liberal Christians do not lead with “as a Christian” every time they say something, and are joining the broader community in protest instead of organizing under the umbrella of their church or denomination, it appears that they are silent but they aren’t. They are, for lack of a better phrase, “hiding” in plain sight.
That’s the thing though—they NEED to lead with that, they need to condemn this shit specifically as Christians. Really, why should the rest of us take the time to acknowledge the ‘good’ Christians when they’re not actively combating the ‘Christianity’ of their fellows? I mean, when Israel fucks up (say, the entirety of the last 15 years), I very deliberately condemn them as a Jew, because that’s the only thing that will carry meaning for some people. Because the state is conflated with World Jewry all the time, and it’s necessary for me to stand against their actions as part of that World Jewry.
I mean, you can say “not all Christians!”, but until I see that reflected on news media, social media, social discourse in general… given the history of silence in the face of oppression among the Christian majority, I have no interest in rooting out the ‘good Christians’. The use of the #not all! was deliberate, and accurate, ‘cause I’m seeing a whole lot of #not all! responses to this. Change the Christian community, change how Christian Supremacy is allowed to operate in our society, and maybe I’ll be less inclined to say #yes all christians.
Here’s the thing though, the leaders of the sects and groups we mentioned to come out and work in the public eye as Christians. The UCC sued the state of NC over marriage equality as Christians saying that NOT allowing marriage equality was violating their religious freedom, specifically to confront the anti-marriage equality conservatives you hear about all the time. Why this did NOT get the circulation it should have, IDEK. And looking at NC Moral Mondays which is headed up by a minister who protests in full garb, this is probably the best example of why on a day to day basis you don’t hear a lot of progressive Christians butting into convos with But not all Christians…anyway, he protests in full garb, but rarely starts conversations with As A Christian because he believes like many of us that this kind of work is just what you do, it’s just what you’re supposed to do in the face of oppression, no need to talk about it, just do it, lead by example in that being Christian in part means you don’t run around saying But As A Christian all the time, people ask what informs your opinions and that’s when you get into the socialist Jesus stuff, and also because it is important to him for the movement to be an inclusive movement.
But also like I said, a lot of us who aren’t in the public eye who are also trying to do good work, don’t run around butting in with Not All Christians, it’s something I rarely ever see or hear outside of kids on the Internet. Instead we talk about how theologically and morally shameful these conservative so-called Christians are.
I sometimes forget that not everyone is an obsessive politics geek like I am and doesn’t read the same websites I do on a daily basis. My original comment was referencing this ugly incident at a Heritage Foundation panel:
Saba Ahmed, an American University law student, stood in the back of the room and asked a question in a soft voice. “We portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but there’s 1.8 billion followers of Islam,” she told them. “We have 8 million-plus Muslim Americans in this country and I don’t see them represented here.”
Panelist Brigitte Gabriel of a group called ACT! for America pounced. She said “180 million to 300 million” Muslims are “dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization.” She told Ahmed that the “peaceful majority were irrelevant” in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and she drew a Hitler comparison: “Most Germans were peaceful, yet the Nazis drove the agenda and as a result, 60 million died.”
So I was riffing on the hypocrisy of the fundamentalist Christians who supported the Hobby Lobby decision and generally want to impose theocracy in the U.S. These same people flip the fuck out when Muslim fundamentalists do the same thing and loudly reject the idea that Muslim moderates shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush as the extremists.
I don’t actually believe all Christians need to publicly and repeatedly denounce extremists every time they do something awful (otherwise, they’d be doing nothing else). And I am aware of progressive Christians who are working hard to get out the message that #notallchristians are bigots.
I think part of the problem here is the national press does a poor job of covering moderate groups in general. Peaceful, reasonable people working to incrementally change things is not a flashy story. So Moral Mondays has gotten, like, zero national attention outside a few lefty publications like The Nation. But if Jerry Falwell says something awful about gay people or women? It’s all over the place because it’ll get ratings/clicks/etc.
A paid informant for the New York Police Department’s intelligence unit was under orders to “bait” Muslims into saying inflammatory things as he lived a double life, snapping pictures inside mosques and collecting the names of innocent people attending study groups on Islam, he told The Associated Press.
Shamiur Rahman, a 19-year-old American of Bengali descent who has now denounced his work as an informant, said police told him to embrace a strategy called “create and capture.” He said it involved creating a conversation about jihad or terrorism, then capturing the response to send to the NYPD. For his work, he earned as much as $1,000 a month and goodwill from the police after a string of minor marijuana arrests.
Informants like Rahman are a central component of the NYPD’s wide-ranging programs to monitor life in Muslim neighborhoods since the 2001 terrorist attacks. Police officers have eavesdropped inside Muslim businesses, trained video cameras on mosques and collected license plates of worshippers. Informants who trawl the mosques - known informally as “mosque crawlers” - tell police what the imam says at sermons and provide police lists of attendees, even when there’s no evidence they committed a crime.
This American Life had a very good piece about another informant who worked for this program. It is basically a fishing expedition, with informants spying on innocent people and trying their best to get them to incriminate themselves. This isn’t the first time the U.S. government has used informants to spy on communities of color for the sake of ‘national security’.
VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION: Apparently Trade Roundup with Richard Lawson at Gawker is now The Call Sheet with Richard Lawson at The Atlantic Wire.
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•While no television program can possibly fully represent an entire community, “All-American Muslim’s” portrayal of five American families in Dearborn, Michigan has deeply positive repercussions and results - reinforcing shared values of family, friendship, community, and coexistence that are universal to all of us - whether we are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist, or of any other belief system represented in the United States.
•We ask that you work to stand up against the bigots of the anti-Islam/Islamophobia industry, whose most concerning complaint is that the show is intent on humanizing American Muslims - as though humanization were not an American value.
•These bigoted viewpoints reek of self-interest, and far from represent the American mainstream, nor do they speak for any political party.
•The visible aim of those who have threatened the show’s supporters is to propagate hatred against fellow Americans because of their religious beliefs, while increasing the success of their own bigoted industries. Ultimately, it is these same critics who have often touted the question: “where are the mainstream Muslims?” We believe that “All-American Muslim” portrays just that - mainstream American Muslims - and that these critics should celebrate an effort like this, not condemn it. Yet their reactions leave no more proof necessary of their actual, hate-mongering intentions. And we believe that America and our American companies are above that.
•To date, Lowe’s has been the only company that has allegedly caved in to bigoted pressure, going on record to state that it would not continue to advertise during “All-American Muslim” because the TV show “did not meet its advertiser guidelines. [Lowe’s] will pull [its] advertising on shows if [it] learn[s] there are issues raised from a broad spectrum of customers and viewers who represent multiple perspectives, which Lowe’s understands was the case in this situation with this particular show.” As yet, it is unclear as to which “multiple perspectives” were represented in the complaints, and such information has not been made available to the public eye. This raises grave concerns about the integrity behind the decision.
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The Florida Family Association criticizes the show because it “hides the Islamic agenda’s clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values.” The organization’s mission statement is to “Educate people on what they can do to defend, protect and promote traditional, biblical values.” This is an organization that is clearly promoting hate and persecution of another group because of their religious affiliation. It is appalling that so many companies—not just Lowe—have pulled out their support for the show.
You can find a full list of companies who pulled their ads from All-American Muslim here. Appalling.(via robot-heart-politics)
— State representative Rick Womick (R-TN) on why he’s against Muslims in the military. Appropriately, Womick decided Veterans Day would be the perfect time for him to air his hatefulness.
"For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." (Hosea 8:7)
i don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
- “atheism rules”
- the islamic dude is rollin some dice
- there’s like a random dog next to the “militant homosexual”
- why is jesus wearing jeans
i just….. what
- Monkey (?) in a suit
On one hand, the lone-wolf theory is refreshing in that it recognizes individuals can commit acts of terror even without the direction of an established group. But it also affords mainstream Americans a mental safe zone that detaches “the crazies” from more acceptable right-wing and racist currents in the public discourse. The failure to grasp the continuum of extremism creates self-enforcing ignorance, as seen in Homeland Security’s attempts to downplay the threat of militant right-wing groups amid pressure from conservatives.
True, extreme ideologies can’t be solely to blame for extreme violence. But curiously, that principle just doesn’t seem to apply to Muslim community leaders, constantly pressured to formally denounce every act that carries any suspicion of Islamic radicalism. The “lone wolf” concept doesn’t buffer European and American Muslims against the collective guilt that so many right-wingers gleefully impose on their religious identity.
What else were the Norway attacks but terrorism?
Pat Robertson is an extremist.is a terrorist.
Yet the New York Times and other major news organizations continue to call Breivik a “fundamentalist” or “extremist” rather than a terrorist. I’m totally disgusted by the biased western coverage of the Oslo attacks. Breivik’s a raging Islamophobe. If he had seen some of the headlines that American newspapers were running, he’d be smiling.
A good summary of the state of multiculturalism in western politics these days. Despite what some rightwing types would have you belief, multiculturalism is not and never has been hegemonic. It remains an unfulfilled ideal, a whipping boy, a seed of contention:
…“[O]thers” have to be distinguished in the popular mind from other “others.” So when black people attack other black people it is no longer crime but “black-on-black-crime;” if a young Muslim woman in killed over a romantic relationship it is not a murder but an “honor killing.” In a country like England that has been embroiled in virtually continuous terrorist conflict for the last forty years in Northern Ireland, the notion that there are “home-grown” Muslim bombers is supposed to represent not just a new demographic taking up armed struggle but an entirely new phenomenon. Even as the Catholic Church is embroiled in a global crisis over child sexual abuse and the Church of England is splintered in a row over gay priests, Islam and Muslims face particularly vehement demands to denounce homophobia.
The combined effect of these flawed distinctions and sweeping demonization is to unleash a series of moral panics. In 2009 in Switzerland, a national referendum banned the building of minarets in a country that has only four; in 2010, 70 per cent of voters in the state of Oklahoma support the banning of sharia law even though Muslims comprise less than 0.1 per cent of the population; in the Netherlands parliament seriously considered banning the burka–-a garment believed to be worn by fewer than fifty women in the entire country. Disproportionate in scale and distorted in nature, these actions cannot be understood as a viable response to their named targets but rather as emblems of a broader, deeper disruption in national, racial and religious identities. At a time of diminishing national sovereignty, particularly in Europe, such campaigns help the national imagination cohere around a fixed identity even as the ability of the nation-state to actually govern itself wanes. It is a curious and paradoxical fact that as national boundaries in Europe have started to fade, the electoral appeal of nationalism has increased….
But such assaults are by no means the preserve of the far right. Many who consider themselves on the left have given liberal cover to these assaults on religious and racial minorities, ostensibly acting in defense of democracy, Enlightenment values and equal rights—particularly relating to sexual orientation and gender. Their positioning rests on two major acts of sophistry. The first is an elision between Western values and liberal values that ignores the fact that liberal values are not fully entrenched in the West and that other regions of the world also have liberal traditions. Nowhere is this clearer than with gay rights, where whatever gains do exist are recent and highly contested. Thirty American states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage, and only a handful of states have passed gay marriage through the popular legislative process. Not only is gay equality not a Western value, it’s not even a Californian value. The second is a desire to understand Western “values” in abstraction from Western practice. This surge in extolling Western virtues has coincided with an illegal war that has been underpinned by both authorized and unauthorized torture and a range of other atrocities and a spike in the electoral and political currency of racism and xenophobia.